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MarcusAurelius 03/19/2019 4:34 PM
yeah, and most would say that
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0111narwhalz 03/19/2019 4:35 PM
eh it's still homework in lower-division classes
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MarcusAurelius 03/19/2019 4:35 PM
I guess? I jumped past those, as did most of my friends
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I literally said I went to a reletavely expensive school
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And?
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MarcusAurelius 03/19/2019 4:46 PM
It could easily be a private secondary school
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from the context of your exasperation I'm guessing you mean tertiary, but no, it wasn't obvious from what you said
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We only have primary and secondary.
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is there such a thing as quaternary school?
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Any idea why someone would make a debit card with a tungsten core?
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0111narwhalz 03/19/2019 4:57 PM
because tungsten
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 03/19/2019 5:00 PM
Because if they throw it hard enough it'll go through armour?
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so you can charge a bunch of fees for the prestige
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MarcusAurelius 03/19/2019 5:37 PM
@Unknown you realize that middle and high school are secondary education and college/university are tertiary, right?
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@Zarpaulek not by that name, but they’re distinguished under the ISCED classification used by UNESCO
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I just got these guys' new debit card and it's heavy as heck https://www.acorns.com/
You are invited to try Acorns.
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@MarcusAurelius nope but aol
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MarcusAurelius 03/19/2019 5:41 PM
What does America Online have to do with this?
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@Unknown aol?
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Aok Even
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MarcusAurelius 03/19/2019 5:47 PM
Standard English please, we seem to have highly divergent slang
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Okay.
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MarcusAurelius 03/19/2019 5:49 PM
Ah
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Morgrim Moon 03/20/2019 9:44 AM
random fact of the evening: it would take approximately 1.2million mosquitos to drain the average human's blood
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MarcusAurelius 03/20/2019 9:48 AM
buys 1.21 million mosquitos
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/20/2019 9:50 AM
That scene in one punch man was unrealistic then
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Morgrim Moon 03/20/2019 9:51 AM
Eh, they might have a supervillain mosquito?
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i dunno that One Punch Man's primary goal is "realism"
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Somehow taking the GPU out of my computer and putting it back in fixed it. I also found out about my horrific dust buildup.
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Well maybe that was the problem.
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I'm on your side
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trust Friend Computer (edited)
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There is basically no chance of Brexit working out in a way that more than 10% of people actually want.
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the basic problem is that the UK want's to have their cake and eat it to, as it were. They want EU economy benefits without submitting to EU authority along with it. They want a hard border with the EU without having a militant border with Ireland south. They want a peaceful border with Ireland south without having to cut North Ireland from the UK's customs wall.
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CGP Grey has a much more eloquent summary of the situation up.
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We could at least get a less-awful solution, but the MPs said no, so yaaaay.
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Less awful than hard brexit I mean.
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Every possible compromise has sacrifices in it that parliament is unwilling to make (usually differing chunks of parliament, but enough to collectively sink all proposable deals)
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They don't want a hard brexit either, but that's the default if no other agreements can be reached
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I think they voted to not have one, but I don't know how that's actually meant to work.
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or, possibly, some sort of 'perpetually asking for extensions' situation.
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oh yes, that's right. A. Parliament has voted to prohibit a no deal brexit. B. Parliament refuses to accept a deal for brexit. C. Parliament somehow expects both A and B to both continue to be true.
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This is a new level of craziness. An Australian prime minister claimed that their laws were more important than the laws of mathematics, but they're trying to beat simple logic.
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I mean, if that 3 month extension thing goes through, it might be workable, at least.
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and then in 3 months ask for another extension, ad naseum
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which, tbh, isn't even the worst solution
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It would be good, but someone will inevitably kill it a few electoral terms down the line.
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at which point it's someone elses hot potato
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Assuming that they get the extension
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/20/2019 4:49 PM
Impossible trinity... man, UK leadership really are caught in the worst possible situation
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Don’t want to obey the people but can’t disobey the people but can’t look weak in front of the EU
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I think it's in the EU's interest to grant the extension
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"can’t look weak in front of the EU" a little late for that one
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On the contrary, I think letting the uk drive right onto the edge of the cliff is in the best interest of the eu
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1) it shows that if you do want to leave, you have a lot of work to do and a lot of ducks to get lined up
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2) it also shows that the eu takes its own regs and requirements seriously
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The true joy of Brexit is being a Grand Political Issue of the Day about which I need, and indeed can, give precisely no fucks whatsoever.
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Everyone involved is terrible. Pass the popcorn.
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/20/2019 5:51 PM
I often see a criticism along the lines of "Most of the work missed the point of its own metaseries, but there was this one scene/mission/moment that was fantastic and actually brought back the zeitgeist that made the originals so fun. If the entire work had been like this, it would have been much better."
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several of the modern Sonic games come to mind on that front
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0111narwhalz 03/20/2019 5:59 PM
that's an odd outlook on Brexit, Bizarro
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/20/2019 6:24 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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0111narwhalz 03/20/2019 6:26 PM
(seriously man you need to introduce new topics instead of just opining out of nowhere)
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/20/2019 6:33 PM
@0111narwhalz yeah yeah okay XP
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Oooh, poster art? somethign that's supposed to go ina board game?
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@Xveers but it's bad for the UK. And I'm in the UK. So it's bad.
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Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead is an awesome game! you can be a normal citizen, a police officer, a hobo, bionic junkie, military recruit or even a full blown cyborg solider! (edited)
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/21/2019 6:25 PM
you also die really fast
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0111narwhalz 03/21/2019 6:36 PM
That's because it's a Fun game.
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Note to self: Bionic monster gameplay is HARD
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/22/2019 11:57 AM
So New Zealand is doing the mandatory buyback thing
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Such a beautifully Orwellian term.
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/22/2019 11:58 AM
Yeah. It's just confiscation with a token cash prize. (edited)
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I don't recall how it worked with the NFA. Was the reward the same or did it depend on the gun?
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paging morgrim
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Good
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/22/2019 12:06 PM
@Enderminion what's good
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I mean I'm 96% certain what you think is so good but just wanted to be sure
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getting guns off the street
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nobody really needs guns anyway
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I have a fairly large list of things that "nobody really needs" that, in the unlikely event of becoming World Dictator, I plan to use liberally to beat that argument to death.
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/22/2019 12:07 PM
nobody really needs paintings
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nobody really needs lawns
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nobody really needs juice
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etc etc
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ad nauseam
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Also, if you're a 90 lb. woman in an alley facing three big guys intent on mayhem, then, sorry, but you need a fucking gun .
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/22/2019 12:09 PM
That applies if you're a 120 lb. man as well
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apparently I'm pretty twiggish
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'this isn't the wild west we need police'
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ok, who even goes into an alley anyway?
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/22/2019 12:10 PM
they will say when push inevitable comes to shove
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@Enderminion a lot of people you know where there's a back or side entrance
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"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/22/2019 12:10 PM
Yep.
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Less trafficked street, then.
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/22/2019 12:11 PM
And when the police do arrive, they might just decide to cover it up and ignore you anyway.
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That's a serious edge case and opens the door to the three big guys intent on mayhem getting the drop on the lady with their own guns
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/22/2019 12:12 PM
No shit.
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Still a better scenario.
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getting shot reaching for your gun is worse than possibly surviving less your wallet?
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/22/2019 12:13 PM
Also, 'edge case' lol
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Tell that to anyone in an inner city
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Or any part of a city
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@Enderminion They may want to take more than just her money. hint hint.
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Regardless of whether having guns is a good idea or not, it's still a bit stupid to set government policy based on the latest terror attack.
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They don't need to. They have the advantage already. Guns are equalizers in defense. Taking them away doesn't render people harmless, it just tilts the balance of power towards the physically biggest and strongest: coincidentally , all young males in the habit of routine violence. This sucks for everyone else. But in any case, "need" is irrelevant, my desire to issue people who argue based on need one shared shed, water, and gruel each and that alone by way of demonstrating the point. In anything resembling a free society, you can do anything not malum in se . (edited)
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perportionally, that terrorist attack was worse than 9/11 for NZ
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/22/2019 12:15 PM
It's nearly impossible to argue with a bawling mother who just lost her child
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Which is also a bad thing to base government policy on. (edited)
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/22/2019 12:16 PM
@Overmind Winchell Chung argues that 'guns aren't equalizers, the best gunman still can push you around!!'
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Still no excuse for knee-jerking, and even less excuse for imposing restrictions upon the liberties of the approximately 4.7 million people who DIDN'T do it.
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/22/2019 12:16 PM
Which indicates the fact he's never been in a gunfight for my part (edited)
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far more likey than not, neither have you
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Since you appear, er, not dead.
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@BizarroLand ♀ The smart gunman knows that you don't go looking for a firefight the same way the meatwad might go looking for a fist-fight, because you stand a much higher change of becoming corpsified.
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/22/2019 12:17 PM
Bingo.
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Violence is always dangerous regardless of your talent at it
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And Chung seriously seems to think Wild West quick drawing is still in vogue
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Newsflash: that doesn't work with a lot of modern holsters (edited)
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Among people with similar capacities for it, certainly. And it's a lot easier to have similar capacities when you lower the barrier for entry, which is the true magic of the gun for a tool-using species. Suddenly the official and unofficial warrior castes don't get to dominate everyone else.
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America an't the wild west, you are going to die as quickly as you would in the real world Wild West
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/22/2019 12:20 PM
The key is not to become completely protected
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The key is to make the action of pugilating against you riskier (edited)
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Even a significantly higher chance of winding up with a bullet wound will deter a lot of potential attackers
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And, not to put too fine a point on it, if the only way you, as a government, can imagine fulfilling your notional responsibility to protect your citizens is to preemptively render them harmless, helpless, and hopeless before anyone who doesn't obey you, then you are grossly incompetent and should be replaced by one that can , or is at least willing to try .
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I guess I just live in a low crime area, the recent major crime was some guy getting caught in his truck in public... doing stuff... not drugs
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I live in the kind of low-crime area where you don't even need to lock your doors most of the time, and yet. As a matter of principle, and all that, and the Gospel of Edgar Friendly.
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... I also live next to the Rich Person Neighbour hood, and are still in the Middle class area
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/22/2019 12:43 PM
I live in the sketchy Medium To High Crime area
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What's living in America like?
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 03/22/2019 1:28 PM
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Awesome, except for all the would-be non-americans shakes fist
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 03/22/2019 1:46 PM
Living in the U.S.? Not as free as I'd been led to believe, unfortunately.
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/22/2019 1:48 PM
Oh, and fun fact: It took 38 minutes for the police to respond
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"We responded really slowly to a terrorist attack, what shall we do?! The public will be angry at us!" "Arrest people who have the video of us failing to respond and do something big which sounds like it'll kind of help to distract everyone." "We could try actually improving..." "No."
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/22/2019 1:51 PM
@gollark Unfortunately, voters tend to respond more to shocking images of women crying and emotional appeals from teenagers than substantive reasoning.
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I actually considered building up enough ships (~32,000) to trigger an integer overflow and face off with a game-crashing antiship fleet, but this playthrough is already silly enough.
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0111narwhalz 03/22/2019 4:18 PM
Using a signed int16 for ship count?
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TotallyNotHuman 03/22/2019 4:23 PM
…What's a negative ship count?
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Signage is totally overrated sometimes V:
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Morgrim Moon 03/22/2019 7:36 PM
belated response: for the aussie buyback, it was a variable payment based on the type of weapon and how many of the 'dangerous' features it had. So an automatic pistol got more than a semi automatic, iirc (I was a kid when it happened)
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Personally, I don't think those sort of weapons can be classified as 'self defence' weapons, because they're absolutely terrible at it. They're designed for killing large numbers of people and forcing the rest into cover via lots of bullets aimed fairly indiscriminately. They can't disable an attacker. Which means you can't afford to be wrong - if you think someone is an aggressor but it's a false positive you are a murderer. If you have a false negative you've drastically increased the likely violence about to be committed on your person. If you're caught be surprise they're too slow to make ready. And even if you are shooting at a genuine Bad Person for very good reasons, the potential for bullets ricocheting /through and though/missing and hitting an innocent bystander is very high. The only thing WORSE as a defensive weapon would be an explosive. So it would be really nice if people having gun debates stopped using 'self defence' as an argument and picked something workable, because it makes them look like they're itching to kill people and that's unhelpful all around.
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(I mean, if you're likely to be facing hordes of monsters charging your fortified shelter, then maybe. But that can be solved with allowing anchored machine gun emplacements instead of mobile automatic weapons.)
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Also, you're unlikely to be carrying anything big enough to sustain automatic fire with current technology.
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The thing though, is that many 2nd Amendment advocates think it was intended to enable the people to overthrow the government if it went bad.
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Morgrim Moon 03/22/2019 7:46 PM
I will admit I'm a bit shaky on the distinctions between auto and semiauto on an engineering scale. (All the guns I've handled have been bolt action rifles.)
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Despite Washington's response to the Whiskey Rebellion
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Morgrim Moon 03/22/2019 7:47 PM
Er, no? It was to defend against the English coming for round 2, because they didn't have the resources for a standing army
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I mean, weren't Washington's letters really clear on that?
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They were also ideologically opposed to the concept of a standing army.
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Of course, when round 2 against the English did happen it became clear they were going to need to reorganize the national defense
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Morgrim Moon 03/22/2019 7:49 PM
the whole "as part of a well regulated militia" shows it wasn't for overthrowing the government
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People here don't think of militias as being organized by the government.
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Morgrim Moon 03/22/2019 7:50 PM
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out of morbid curiosity, what DO they think is the difference between a militia and an armed mob?
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I'm used to the european perspective, I guess, where historically militia were the civillians trained to fight to bulk out the army or in modern times as the last ditch local defence. Like how people where trained to fight against invading nazis with sharpened gardening tools
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Persistence I suppose.
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"Mob" is kind of synonomous with "riot" or even "protest" these days.
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Morgrim Moon 03/22/2019 7:54 PM
if you're fighting the government you are, kinda by definition, a riot
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While here militia tends to mean "right wing militia fanatics"
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The Right-Wing Militia Fanatic trope as used in popular culture. These people are members of an underground militia which holds suspicion that The Government …
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Morgrim Moon 03/22/2019 7:55 PM
and also a protest, but I tend to reserve that for less violence or "violence isn't the point"
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 03/22/2019 7:55 PM
Sigh. There is a lot of history y'all apparantly don't know. Not your fault, even schools in the US don't cover early United Statesian history well. (edited)
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Morgrim Moon 03/22/2019 7:56 PM
(As in, a sadly significant percentage of protests turn violent, but you can have non-violent protests and the point of a protest is not violence. Wheras the point of the riot IS violence)
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Yeah, I'm aussie; 90% of my US Independence War knowledge is from Carmen Sandiego.
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The rest is from my habit of collecting weird war stories.
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I drop in for a moment to refer you here: http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/common.htm
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 03/22/2019 7:57 PM
Excellent...I has looking for that.
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And also to the rest of Prof. Volokh’s articles on the subject, obtainable via Google.
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Morgrim Moon 03/22/2019 7:58 PM
/reads
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I kinda want to donate some minimal CSS to this guy to make this page easier to read
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huh. I didn't know that slavery was expressedly forbidden. It makes a lot of sense, given the significant slavery of the irish that was taking place at the time. Now I'm curious what changes were made to explicitly exclude cotton slavery
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Morgrim Moon 03/22/2019 9:02 PM
"From anecdotes and observational research, scientists have known for a while that red-bellied piranhas make bark-like noises when caught by fishermen. Upon further examination, a team of Belgian scientists found that they make three distinctive types of vocalization in different situations." Fish. Can BARK?!
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0111narwhalz 03/22/2019 9:04 PM
next they're gonna tell us that barking spiders are real
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Morgrim Moon 03/22/2019 9:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGv1LiFZUWI it's less bark and more boof, but this is apparently a warning sound, "don't mess with me"
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done while staring the other fish down
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0111narwhalz 03/22/2019 9:05 PM
oh, like vibrating cichlids
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(sometimes my mouse buttons make that sound)
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Morgrim Moon 03/22/2019 9:06 PM
then there is a sort of sharp click sound done while circling.
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and final threat posture is the fish gnashing their teeth at each other
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the first two are made by twanging their swim bladder
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@Morgrim Moon The reference to slavery being forbidden comes from the Vermont constitution. A state where cotton farming was impractical
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Morgrim Moon 03/22/2019 10:02 PM
ah
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Morgrim Moon 03/23/2019 1:43 AM
Illusionist has told Theresa May he will ‘not allow’ her to lead Britain out of the EU
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 03/23/2019 2:24 AM
bwahahahahaha
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He couldn't bend a paperclip with a hydraulic press
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/23/2019 4:28 PM
The 400 Cities Digital Nomad Index answers the question: Which cities globally are Cheap, Safe, and have the best Climate? A proprietary…
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The Greek climate is the best in the world apparently.
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It depends how you define "best".
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/23/2019 4:28 PM
@gollark I know, I know, subjective preference etc
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Greece is way too hot for me.
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/23/2019 4:29 PM
But this is a fairly objective comparison of life quality, amount of cities etc
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It seems like the other (non-climate) data is actually from the "400 cities" index.
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/23/2019 4:39 PM
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We evolved in Tanzania didn't we
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So logically that should be the best climate
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Kenya, but most of us have had 10,000+ years to adapt to other environments
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/23/2019 4:41 PM
Aw (Tropical Savannah) seems to be the best climate
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Huh
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Do 10,000 years give time to adapt?
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0111narwhalz 03/23/2019 4:42 PM
It gave time for skin color to striate, at the very least.
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/23/2019 4:42 PM
(gazes at pale skin) fair point
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Thus compare to this map of world pop density
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Seems like Humans enjoy Cfa climates the most!
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Anyone know of a good linkage / lever simulator? Something imple where I can just drop some pieces and anchors and push them around.
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Morgrim Moon 03/23/2019 7:16 PM
I feel I should point out that white skin isn't actually a baseline human trait at all. It's a Neanderthal trait that some groups in europe and northern asia got from interbreeding. That's why the innuit - who would also benefit from white skin in an evolutionary sense, and show some of the highest levels of pure-evolutionary adaption - are more a pale tan.
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There's some interesting research suggesting the blonde and red hair mutations were pretty widespread in europe while all the humans there had dark skin. and it's pretty funny exposing some white supremacists to this and watching their brains break
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isn't actually a baseline human trait at all Insert obligatory "speak for yourself, Cro-Magnon" here.
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Morgrim Moon 03/23/2019 7:19 PM
Well, maybe I'm using 'baseline' incorrectly. In my mind, a baseline trait is one that all humans have, or have the mechanical potential to have.
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Or maybe I'm just failing to be funny. Yeah, that's probably it. 😃
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Morgrim Moon 03/23/2019 7:21 PM
So the Himalayan hyper-efficient oxygen carrying is not, that's Denarian. An- ah. Okay, sorry, I haven't had enough sleep or any tea yet.
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#browridgepride
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Iterated function systems (IFSs) are a method of constructing fractals, which are more related to set theory than fractal geometry https://t.co/JbsYAjlzDI Tamas Melykuti is a graphic programmer who realizes kaleidoscopic 3D versions of IFS fractals https://t.co/UUQyVGz6RI ...
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Morgrim Moon 03/24/2019 2:17 AM
I made a little flow chart of mainstream programming languages and how programmers seem to move from one to another. There's a more common...
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hey guys i was gone over the weekend because I moved houses
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NASA might send a nuclear-powered flying robot to Titan
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I STILL CRY EVERY TIEM
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Fun fact: Voyager 2 has also left the heliosphere
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/25/2019 4:23 PM
Random bit of future shock: I grew up with Media using dates in the 2010s and 2020s often enough that it's kind of weird to almost be in the year 2020
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I feel like now should be more futurey.
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/25/2019 4:24 PM
The 21st century is well shaping up to be quite different from what anyone imagined
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There seems to be a bunch of stuff which could have been cool but never got polished enough/people disliked it. Like Google Glass.
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TotallyNotHuman 03/25/2019 4:55 PM
I remember a guy who managed to procure a GGlass prototype three? years ago.
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That was the shit.
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You could probably make a bootleg version with a cheap transparent screen (these must surely exist) and a small computer and battery attached to a hat or something.
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TotallyNotHuman 03/25/2019 5:02 PM
So a microcomputer running Fedora attached to a fedora?
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😎
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Glass flopped because people were ripping them off wearer’s faces.
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Perhaps we need some way to get people to not do that...
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/25/2019 5:15 PM
wearable computers have just gotta be the most stupidest techcorp idea i have ever heard as an american (edited)
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what if y'fall into water
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Then you would have other problems.
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And if you fall into water, your phone will also break.
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it became super taboo to push people into pools because of that
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used to be silly get someone sopping wet, not "destroy 700$ worth of their property"
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/25/2019 6:47 PM
also people who wear spex tend to look kind of douchey
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This may be because of my odd upbringing, but I never really saw the logic behind the xenophilia trope
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and 'Xeno' as in 'an alien ecology'
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because of the probable psychological and biochemical barriers etc
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BluejayHurricane 03/25/2019 6:54 PM
Well, yeah, but what percentage of people look at these projects and start nitpicking? Tough SF is a niche, I think.
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And I will admit I find them interesting as worldbuilding.
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/25/2019 6:55 PM
I was brought up watching popscience shows where they pointed out how unrealistic most tropes were
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Only got into fandom later
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MarcusAurelius 03/25/2019 6:58 PM
It’s the exotic orient, IN SPESS
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/25/2019 7:01 PM
@MarcusAurelius fair
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/25/2019 9:21 PM
Also I still cant see how fashion would change
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I like the look and exoticism of a piece of latex wear in an ensemble
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But the rubberized does not breathe at all and it’s a female dog to clean
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Barring nanomemes or apocalypse what materials may get popular
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Like we said before, “fashion” and “practical” are rarely in the same universe
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/25/2019 9:24 PM
Okay, then streetwear
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I’m just kinda dense
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MarcusAurelius 03/25/2019 9:24 PM
I'd agree that less flowy clothing would be preferable on zero or low g habs
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but most pants, shorts, and even some types of skirts fit that
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/25/2019 9:24 PM
functionwise? Jumpsuits might get popular in places where extraveh activity is common
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MarcusAurelius 03/25/2019 9:25 PM
Jumpsuits as in the skintight latex numbers old SF had, or modern style coveralls?
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/25/2019 9:25 PM
both
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MarcusAurelius 03/25/2019 9:26 PM
I'd say the latter is more likely
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/25/2019 9:29 PM
eh
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MarcusAurelius 03/25/2019 9:34 PM
easier to fit, requires less sizing, easier to make out of durable and breathable fabrics, can wear underlayers, etc
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/25/2019 9:39 PM
@MarcusAurelius maybe an anti g suit?
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If torches are common
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the F35 ensemble
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MarcusAurelius 03/25/2019 9:42 PM
not how even that isn't that body hugging though
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it's mostly made out of loose fitting fabric, with the bladders only tightening under acceleration
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/25/2019 9:44 PM
Youd have to be in liquid breathing tanks to survive high G maneuveres
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So it fits
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MarcusAurelius 03/25/2019 9:44 PM
I doubt that would be common enough to have a serious influence on popular clothing
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0111narwhalz 03/25/2019 9:55 PM
and even if it were, you'd want to get out of the tanksuits once in a while
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Morgrim Moon 03/25/2019 10:00 PM
I think moderate amounts of flowy garments will be common in microgravity, because one of the reason longcoats are popular and capes are cool is the swishiness. And with a bit of practice you learn to move with the cloak and not wrap it around your legs. Microgravity seems ripe for the same but cooler.
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MarcusAurelius 03/25/2019 10:02 PM
true, but you won't have gravity to help resettle them so they'll be constantly moving. Maybe more of full sleeves and short skirts over leggings/pants (edited)
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small magnets and metal studs in the hem of the coat and thighs of the pants so they generally stay in place
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https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/ielx5/5/6021970/06021978.pdf Some actual reasonable arguments against nuclear power.
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I remain unimpressed. On point one, we need to find locations away from dense population zones for reasons which amount to... nucleophobia, and that would be it. An industry that has racked up mere thousands of fatalities in its entire history is one that anyone sane should be happy to live next to. A damn sight safer than a coal plant, for a start, not to mention much cleaner. As for copious supplies of cooling water, how many miles of coastline do we have again? On point the second: "decommissioning by entombment" is stupid for the reasons I'll get to next, and in any case, you only need to entomb the core . You can then reuse all the other land safely unless you're suffering from Nonexistent Free Neutrons Make Baby Jesus Cry Syndrome.
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Morgrim Moon 03/26/2019 3:38 AM
Now, the location s that are stable and not prone to certain natural disasters bit makes a lot of sense
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On the third: the only reason nuclear embrittlement forces decommissioning in that timeframe is because we insist on designing plants like idiots . The only parts of the plant that suffer from meaningful neutron embrittlement are the core and some components of the primary coolant loop. If this causes you to, at the end of those components' lifetime, throw away THE ENTIRE REST OF THE PLANT, that's not physics's fault, that's your lamentable lack of engineering foresight in not designing a REPLACEABLE CORE, ffs.
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(And since we could roll a fully fueled Saturn V weighing 6.5 million lbs around the place in 1967, don't give me any of that "too big, heavy, and dangerous" bullshit, 'kay?) (edited)
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Four: I repeat: REPLACEABLE CORE.
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Five: the nuclear waste problem is settled, it's just that people don't like the solution. High-level waste is called fuel . This is what reprocessing and breeder reactors, and all the other parts of the nuclear fuel cycle are for that, coincidentally, enable us to extract all the juicy energetic goodness from the uranium, including the otherwise useless U-238. The only reason we don't do this is because people are scared of big bad plutonium and people getting their hands on nuclear material. Well, kids, since Kim Jong Un and his pariah nation can build a bomb without benefit of stealing the plutonium we aren't making, I'm gonna rule that the cat's out of the bag and the national security justification from throwing away 92% unburnt fuel rods is, finally, definitively and empirically, bollocks.
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Low level waste, on the other hand, is a trivial problem that goes away by itself in decades, not 50 kiloyears. At that rate, you could stuff it into shipping containers, stack it in Death Valley, and put a fence around it with a sarcastic warning sign and still be pretty certain that it wouldn't even kill hardy illiterates with a trash fetish.
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Six: accidents which didn't kill anyone, and which with one incredibly badly-designed and operated exception left you with a bunch or corium in a bottle where it couldn't harm anyone. Most large industries pray to have more accidents like that.
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Seven: Proliferation, schmoliferation. See above.
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Eight, nine, and ten: All of which would be substantially less of a problem if we weren't throwing away most of the energy in every fuel rod, like a bunch of chucklefucks.
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....urgh. I can't go on.
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But suffice it to say that this depends on the unmentioned elephant in the room, which is that we run the nuclear power industry like someone who buys a new car, drives it until the fuel gauge shows one-tenth empty, then throws the car away and buys a new one. This is moronic on a level that makes the economics of the US healthcare system look like a work of fucking millennial genius, and anything that doesn't acknowledge that all the current data we have is gathered from doing things in the stupidest manner imaginable is thus, indubitably, poppycock.
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Morgrim Moon 03/26/2019 4:58 AM
My big issue with nuclear power is that our current uranium mining methods are an environmental catastrophe. Conveniently breeder reactors go a long way to solving this too
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MarcusAurelius 03/26/2019 9:10 AM
@Morgrim Moon do you know if thorium mining is significantly cleaner, or is it just as bad?
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Morgrim Moon 03/26/2019 9:13 AM
I'm doing a quick read and it looks like there isn't any large scale thorium mining, so it's ambiguous
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but it'd probably be closer to sand mining given where and how its found, so yes that would be at least a magnitude easier and better for the environment
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For those that don't know: current uranium mining practices are injecting huge volumes of acid into the water table, dissolving the ore, pumping it out, filtering out the uranium, and dumping the remaining fluid into settlement ponds. Obviously this does pretty catastrophic things to your water table and anything that was previously alive in the area.
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thorium extraction also uses acid, but you take the ore out of the ground first
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People don't like the solutions because that was never the point. Premise is stuffing the nuclear genie back in the bottle, everything else must support that.
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Way to bet on the mining side of things is that uranium is still better because you need so much less of it per GJ
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Morgrim Moon 03/26/2019 9:30 AM
See, I'm very unsure about that
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mostly because thorium is a byproduct of mining multiple other useful things, and currently treated as waste. While uranium must be mined specifically.
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so you're exerting so much less energy on getting it that it may well compensate for getting less out of it
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meant uranium vs coal
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Morgrim Moon 03/26/2019 9:33 AM
oh, then hugely yes
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/26/2019 9:45 AM
also
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Solar thermal? What about, you know, island nations, countries with no deserts, instability of most of the countries that do have deserts...
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My home country, Puerto Rico, already has every reservoir well dammed and half of our days get rain
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Hey, Australia's 90% desert
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/26/2019 9:48 AM
Solar thermal is worse than PV at handling sunlight reduction
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/26/2019 9:56 AM
And less efficient
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you can hammer together a solar thermal engine out of bronze if you need to though
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/26/2019 9:59 AM
It’d be hideously inefficient though
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minecraft intensifies
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/26/2019 10:05 AM
The world is facing two futures: let the solar revolution sputter out and face ruin or harness solar power to help reign in climate change.
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/26/2019 10:26 AM
If renewables were actually profitable and better than fossil fuels you could not keep nations from using themes
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they are better tho (edited)
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for the environment
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Morgrim Moon 03/26/2019 10:27 AM
given the strength of the coal lobby in the swing state that pretty much dictates the federal leader in australia, the fact that politicians are trying to get more coal plants built despite the bulk of aussies and every non-elected government group saying no they're more expensive than solar isn't a surprise.
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Supremely irritating, but not a surprise.
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Fact is, here solar is better than coal. Whether it's better than natural gas is currently debatable.
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nuclear looks on with a smirk at people learning about coal lobbying
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Nuclear is better than coal in the long term, is it not?
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Most things are.
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General solution to the "Which energy source is better?" question: The better one has the higher energy density
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What about hamster wheels? /s
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@Ian Bruene antimatter intensifies
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Better as in lower ecological/environmental impact.
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Nuclear also has a MUCH higher energy density
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@Tassadar yes, better on that scale too. You need to harvest a whole lot more for a lower density source
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Wait, would nuclear be considered higher or lower density?
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Antimatter's not really an energy source.
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multiple orders of magnitude higher
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do I need to pull the xkcd out?
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http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=521 (battery tech has gotten better since this was written, but the general point stands)
As oil prices recede from all-time dollar highs and some of the hot air gets let out of energy policy debates, it's a good time to remember that here's a key concept missing from almost every popul...
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Morgrim Moon 03/27/2019 7:14 AM
why must applying for a home loan be so frustrating?!
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hey guys
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building on our mars sample return discussion a while ago, i've been thinking about a sample return mission
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To Pluto
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😄
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no seriously
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If you can actually land, Pluto's pretty much perfect for a sample return
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MarcusAurelius 03/27/2019 12:40 PM
if you don't mind waiting 30 years or using very energetic propulsion systems
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Its low orbital speed means you only need to expend a few km/s of Delta-V to just drop towards Earth after leaving Pluto SOI, and it's covered in frozen water, nitrogen and methane, meaning you have abundant carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, and oxygen to synthesize pretty much every currently used rocket fuel (edited)
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You see, my constraints are not money and time, but Delta-V and mass!
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/27/2019 12:42 PM
Beware kerbalthink.
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shush you
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i'm already drawing blueprints
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i'm thinking a fission reactor for power
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And we can gravity brake off of Charon
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Any suggestions?
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MarcusAurelius 03/27/2019 1:07 PM
This thing isn't going to be small
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might as well go all the way and give it an NTR for the extra deltaV
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Yes, already planned on it
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An NTR will be mounted to the actual interplanetary bus and will be used for interplanetary flight
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The Pluto lander will use chemical propulsion and use its ISRU to both refuel itself and deliver significant quantities of hydrogen to the interplanetary transfer orbiter's tanks, as well as returning samples
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MarcusAurelius 03/27/2019 1:12 PM
I doubt the ISRU set up would be that much lighter than just taking slightly larger tanks
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slightly, he says
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it's another 10 km/s of Delta-V
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(this is mostly because I want the lander to hop over to Charon and take more samples before coming back to Pluto orbit. If you neglect Charon, no ISRU is needed.)
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BECAUSE MAXIMUM SAMPLES
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The left accuses the right of all being Nazis because there are a handful of Nazis on the right. The right accuses the left of all being Communists because there are a handful of Communists on the left. The middle shakes their heads and watches the whole country spiral down the toilet as extremists on both sides destroy everything.
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The libertarians accuse both sides of being assholes, because that's bloody obvious to anyone paying attention.
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Enderminion 03/27/2019 1:37 PM
The people who know stuff facepalm at the Bothsame arguments
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No-one's saying that they're the same assholes.
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Assholes come in many forms.
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See, it's like being offered the choice of live maggots or arsenic-infused pigshit for lunch. Each is a horrible option in its own highly distinctive way and likely to lead to equally unique digestive upset, but it is not denying this to say, "Well, fuck off then, I'm having the salad."
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(Assuming, that is, they're facepalming in good faith and not simply dressing up a false dichotomy for a night out in Twitterville, that is.)
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/27/2019 1:43 PM
Actually arsenic is probably the worse option
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Heavy metal poisoning wreaks havoc on organs for pretty much the rest of your life
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Especially the invaluable nerve matter
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This does not change that they are both shitty options .
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/27/2019 1:44 PM
Exactly
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Of course, this is usually where someone brings up that "you've gotta vote for the lesser evil" canard.
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/27/2019 1:45 PM
‘Live maggots are gross but they won’t poison you if cleaned lol’
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At which point it is ethically obligatory to smack them upside the head and remind them that that's exactly how we've got all this fucking evil around the place, belike, and it's their damn fault .
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"Choosing the lesser evil" makes sense when you either are forced into a truly limited options scenario, or you need to halt something right now, and the lesser evil buys you enough time to then do the non-evil option.
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Naturally the lesser evil meme is usually not one of these
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/27/2019 2:23 PM
When I first heard Andrew Yang was running on a UBI platform, I thought he was running to popularise universal basic income as a policy option for the future. It has become increasingly clear, howe…
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Yesterday, I wrote a post highlighting the regressive effects of Andrew Yang’s UBI proposal, especially its impact on our poorest and most vulnerable. Yang promises to pay for his UBI (of jus…
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The continuous, almost buzzword like use of the string 'poor people' and the lack of details doesn't impress me much
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Also, this writer admits even the conservative 1000USD a month wage would bankrupt America
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$3T a year
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Annual budget is about $3.8T Including .6T on military alone https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/
In fiscal year 2014, the federal government will spend around $3.8 trillion. These trillions of dollars make up a considerable chunk - around 22 percent - of the US. economy, as measured by Gross Domestic Product (GDP). That means that federal government spending makes up a s...
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/27/2019 3:58 PM
This is government though
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So good luck cutting anything
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[1:19 PM] KAL_9000: (this is mostly because I want the lander to hop over to Charon and take more samples before coming back to Pluto orbit. If you neglect Charon, no ISRU is needed.)
Just bring two landers, one for pluto and one for Charon
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@BizarroLand ♀ Well, the largest chunk is mandatory spending on the programs UBI-preachers claim it would replace
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Morgrim Moon 03/28/2019 9:51 AM
"Calicheamicin displays unbiased toxicity to bacteria, fungi, viruses, and eukaryotic cells and organisms, which raises questions as to how the calicheamicin-producing Micromonospora manages not to poison itself."
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Very carefully
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Morgrim Moon 03/29/2019 5:56 AM
I am hoping to buy my own place in a few weeks. So since I could do stuff like install things, I am looking at various smart home devices.
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I REALLY WISH there was more stuff that was NOT intimately linked to voice recognition! I hate voice recognition!
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I don't want to tell Siri/Alexa/whatever to do something, I want a touchscreen I can touch to make it do the thing.
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I think Google has a “Home” device with a screen now
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Morgrim Moon 03/29/2019 6:06 AM
hm. I'm not having luck finding it
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Morgrim Moon 03/29/2019 6:43 AM
Hm. I think I mostly want a home media server that can also control a small number of devices, like maybe a couple of lights.
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https://i.imgur.com/S638BBh.gifv <- Guys, this is really cool. Saw it on r/astronomy and had to share it.
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Timelapse of four super-Jupiters orbiting the star HR 8799. The central star is obscured by a coronagraph.
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/29/2019 9:18 AM
Is this direct imaging?
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Or some simulation
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Direct imaging
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/29/2019 3:32 PM
@NHO MEGA CURSED
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brilliant
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/29/2019 6:30 PM
Not sure where but I read a study or article once that said how Britain and Japan tried really really hard to make spent fuel reprocessing economical but couldn't. (edited)
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snort
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1. Much as it pains me to admit the French seem to have made it work 2. Anything is uneconomical if you fuck with it enough (and nuclear anything gets hit with this one harder than just about anything else) 3. Somehow it was possible to process the initial fuel, but it isn't economical to get the other 90%. [X] Doubt
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For the past month or so this podcast has been exploring an "environmental disaster" future, and the most recent one actually brings up the stifling effects of regulation https://www.flashforwardpod.com/2019/03/26/earth-the-cement-ban/
Today we travel to a future where we try to break up with cement. Can it be done? How did cement because so ubiquitous? And what’s so bad about cement…
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when you start poking at some of the regulatory messes, Rand's use of the term "Parasite" begins to take on a viscerally horrible truth
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/30/2019 5:04 PM
Personally I prefer text when learning, since it lets me absorb information much much faster
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I also find that when watching videos I'm really easily distracted.
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I mean, that happens with text, but there's no intrinsic passing of time in text to cause problems with that.
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/30/2019 5:07 PM
Trying to get the modpack to work with MultiMC
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Right now it says the archive doesn't recognize a modpack type
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Are you running 13.2
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1.12.2.
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Just open the mods folder and extract mods.zip into it.
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Also make sure to install the latest version of Forge.
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/30/2019 5:12 PM
client or server?
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MultiMC has a built in forge install button.
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Edit Instance → Version → Install Forge
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/30/2019 5:14 PM
i did that now what
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So, open the mods folder, copy all of the stuff in mods.zip into that.
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Then open the game.
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/30/2019 5:18 PM
copy, not extract, right
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Well, either works, just get the jars into your mods folder.
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/30/2019 5:19 PM
what about the opensecurity and railcraft folders
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Those are autogenned, ignore them.
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Kevyn really has died a lot.
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Such is the (reinstated) life of a Mad Scientist
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Elf has died though
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sdschildberg 03/30/2019 10:44 PM
this is slowly but surely becoming the discord for the minecraft sever
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When did Elf die?
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@Unknown I muted the Minecraft channel
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In the Alt timeline IIRC
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or reduced to head in a jar status
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Everybody died in that timeline.
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If Tagon’s not counting the “Diamond Beetle” incident against his death score I’d say head in a jar isn’t dying
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Why can't they just blast the Pa'ans with a dose of teraport radiation? (edited)
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Or build a huge barrier around their galaxy?
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"Eat teraport radiation, you invisible space-expanding bastards!" (edited)
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Morgrim Moon 03/31/2019 3:39 AM
I haven't read the source material, but presumably because radiation tends to be really hard to generate in place
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0111narwhalz 03/31/2019 3:40 AM
Also haven't read the source material, but presumably galaxy-spanning structures are rather difficult to build as well.
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Or make a gravity bomb that car compacts them?
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Or just invent something that dosent use teraport energy?
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Morgrim Moon 03/31/2019 3:41 AM
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Gravity bombs are no expection
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0111narwhalz 03/31/2019 3:41 AM
"we have this huge problem" "oh why don't you just invent something to fix it?"
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Innovation, my good sir
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Morgrim Moon 03/31/2019 3:43 AM
Presumably in canon they ARE trying.
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0111narwhalz 03/31/2019 3:43 AM
"no no it's a perfect solution" "there are no perfect solutions" "then why don't you just make a perfect solution?"
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Or just tell the Pa'ans to go somewhere else
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"go somewhere else"
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0111narwhalz 03/31/2019 3:43 AM
Most folks aren't at the level of sophistication in their ontotechnology where they can describe something that vaguely and get something out of it :V
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"OK, WE WILL GO SOMEWHERE ELSE"
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Wait, how were they even able to build things in the first place? they are gigantic dark matter beings!
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0111narwhalz 03/31/2019 3:48 AM
very carefully
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Well how are they supposed to build something like a neutron star buster on any reasonable time scale whatsoever?
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0111narwhalz 03/31/2019 3:51 AM
by defining "reasonable" on their own terms
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Trillenia
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0111narwhalz 03/31/2019 3:52 AM
that sounds like a long time scale to build a universe in
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like
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The pa'anuri would have ended their war long before they could build anything (edited)
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0111narwhalz 03/31/2019 3:53 AM
why bother busting stars at all
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/31/2019 6:43 AM
Dark energy hm
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Have they found out what dark matter is yet
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In Schlock Mercenary, you mean?
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/31/2019 6:44 AM
Yes
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I would assume so, but they never mentioned it.
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0111narwhalz 03/31/2019 6:44 AM
if they figure out what dark whatever is, will they still call it "dark?"
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Well, yes, because it's dark as in "doesn't interact with light".
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0111narwhalz 03/31/2019 6:46 AM
Wonder if there will be future physicists that will go "ugh, no, it's not dark, it's just far" or something like with the "dark side" of the moon.
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Morgrim Moon 03/31/2019 6:51 AM
Reminder that physicists named quarks "up down charm strange top bottom"
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dopey names are par for the course
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and possibly a shibolith
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0111narwhalz 03/31/2019 6:52 AM
:V okay you have a point
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also: Quantum chromodynamics has nothing to do with color in the conventional sense, so does spin—a quantum number—have anything to do with angular momentum in the conventional sense?
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Morgrim Moon 03/31/2019 7:15 AM
they're not linked directly, but it's a pretty solid simile?
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0111narwhalz 03/31/2019 7:18 AM
hm
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/31/2019 7:54 AM
WIMPS GIMPS n MACHOS
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A movie from Suspiciously Pornographic Productions.
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/31/2019 7:57 AM
physicists are also pervy people ;o
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It’s official. Hunters Entertainment is teaming up with Skydance to produce tabletop role-playing games set within the stunning sci-fi universe of the hit Netflix series, Altered Carbon. Coming 2020.
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Shiny.
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Today, my distraction is figuring out neural net software so I can do this --
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H.M.S. Neural Net One of my favorite things to do with machine learning algorithms is to get them to name things. Give a neural network (a type of machine learning algorithm) enough examples, and it will do an often decent (sometimes howlingly bad) imitation of their letter...
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-- but with Culture ship names.
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 03/31/2019 12:31 PM
I'm sure they will have the appropriate gravitas.
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All Culture ships have artificial gravitas, it's fine.
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INCORRECT USE OF GRAMMAR DETECTED!!!!!!!!!!!
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These days we use paragravitas.
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That's completely valid English.
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GRAVITAS IS A MODUS OPERANDI OF SPEECH, NOT A PHYSICS FUNCTION (edited)
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The grammar is totally fine.
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Like this, can I write, should you it prefer.
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TotallyNotHuman 03/31/2019 12:35 PM
Yikes, please no.
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As if English isn't designed for words to leap the grammar boundaries the moment it becomes useful.
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Yesly, indeedful.
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Talking about blood: Could a series of micropumps be used in place of a single heart?
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Some of the larger veins have muscles to help bring blood back to the heart.
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But, coordinating that kind of mess would be a problem if it was the primary mover of blood
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Such a system would be more redundant than a single pumping organ
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There are some species with multiple hearts, but they tend to have fairly decentralized nervous systems too.
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There is nothing stopping you from having 20 or so microhearts
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Or at least are less dependent on their brain.
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Like octopi have three slow-beating simple hearts
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The two secondary ones are specifically for moving blood through the gill systems though
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Of course their hemocyanin blood is also really thick so it needs three hearts
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Would a symbiotic fungal lifeform give a lifeforms blood a blue colour?
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Is the symbiotic fungal lifeform blue?
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Morgrim Moon 03/31/2019 7:11 PM
most fungi are white
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They don't really need much pigment, most of them are underground
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Morgrim Moon 03/31/2019 7:23 PM
it is April Fools day and I mod multiple servers and a forum. /cracks knuckles and readies the hammer
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/31/2019 7:34 PM
its 834
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pm on march 31 herre
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19:35
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Morgrim Moon 03/31/2019 7:43 PM
yes I know most people here are sadly in the past 😛
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Morgrim Moon 03/31/2019 11:04 PM
Someone thought it would be funny to set the digital thermometer to Fahrenheit. Boss disagrees and is on the warpath
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laughs in Rankine
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0111narwhalz 04/01/2019 5:17 AM
Multiple targeted beams out of one phased array?
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Morgrim Moon 04/01/2019 7:21 AM
it's hard to take Rankine as a unit of measurement when it's the name of a submarine I was on
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Believe nothing you see or read today
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Already got trolled once
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/01/2019 12:19 PM
Herpaderp
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saw something saying that the Hughes Amendment had been declared unconstitutional HOORAY!!! shit I forgot the date
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I don't always upvote Forgotten Weapons. But when I do it's because I saw something from them.
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"Instrumentalising the fate of Jews who were persecuted by hateful antisemitic ideology and murdered in extermination camps like Auschwitz with poisonous gas in order to argue against vaccination that saves human lives is a symptom of intellectual and moral degeneration," twe...
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Wow. Just.... Wow.
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Does it count if you self-genocide?
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Playing the victim, fail
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Morgrim Moon 04/02/2019 12:02 AM
Banks are stupid and frustrating and in what world is "You save too much money" a BAD thing?!
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MarcusAurelius 04/02/2019 12:15 AM
one driven by consumerist capitalism, I guess?
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0111narwhalz 04/02/2019 12:17 AM
one where they have to pay a practically nonzero interest rate?
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(for values of "bad" defined from their view)
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Morgrim Moon 04/02/2019 12:19 AM
I think this is because I'd pay the loan off 'early' and they'd get less interest out of me
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MarcusAurelius 04/02/2019 12:27 AM
oh, that makes more sense
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Morgrim Moon 04/02/2019 12:30 AM
Yes but now they don't get ANY interest because I have to go to a different bank and how is that sensible business practice?
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MarcusAurelius 04/02/2019 12:58 AM
I'm guessing most people just roll over and take their advice
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Morgrim Moon 04/02/2019 6:04 AM
"Dubstep music found to protect against mosquitos". The worst bit about April 1st is that this looks like solid science but I can't tell if it's a prank or an Ig Nobel candidate, and being aussie means the fact it was posted April 2nd for me isn't much proof either way
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0111narwhalz 04/02/2019 6:15 AM
you could always conduct a study of your own
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See if you can reproduce their results :V
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Morgrim Moon 04/02/2019 6:16 AM
admittedly tempting. I'm one of the poor sods who is apparently very tasty to mosquitos
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and the study isn't great. It needs to compare more types of music to smooth out the variables
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0111narwhalz 04/02/2019 6:18 AM
I'd make a joke about other music making them bite more, but I don't know what genre would make the most sense :V
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Morgrim Moon 04/02/2019 6:21 AM
Eh, test a couple of very different genres, see if there is a difference, then joke accordingly
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I AM BAAACK
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from the weekend stuff
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still helping move stuff over
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Oh, I live close to DC, so we also went to the Natural History Museum there.
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@0111narwhalz they had a whole exhibit on your kind
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This story has shown me a significant linguistic difference between America and parliamentary countries https://www.politico.eu/article/finlands-government-collapses-over-failed-health-care-reform/
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/02/2019 12:09 PM
I already knew
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In parliamentary systems governments refer to dominating coalitions
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While Americans mean the incorporated bureaucracy when they refer to "government".
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As such a lot of people I've seen seem to think Finland is in a state of Somalian anarchy
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What about China? He doesn't like China.
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Eastern Mexico.
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TotallyNotHuman 04/02/2019 12:33 PM
motion to keep KAL rage in #dank
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so that it can be muted
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I was sharing some space news
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I think everyone here likes hearing space news
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TotallyNotHuman 04/02/2019 12:35 PM
KAL_9000Today at 1:14 PM How Trump sees the world (if he doesn't think it's flat, that is)
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right
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But the spnews is fine.
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TotallyNotHuman 04/02/2019 12:35 PM
Spnews is cool and good.
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I rage because I am 14 and cannot actually go out into the world and help change the bad things
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But yes
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I will tone down the reee
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MarcusAurelius 04/02/2019 12:41 PM
and, no offense meant here, you're 14 and a little less emotional stable than the rest of us. A few years of seeing crap like this and you get more or less immunized. It tones down the rage quite a bit
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alright thanks
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Puberty's a bitch
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MarcusAurelius 04/02/2019 12:42 PM
Yup
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it has a lot of upsides, but I got out relatively lightly
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TotallyNotHuman 04/02/2019 12:43 PM
I mean, I'm two weeks from 16 and life is shit. But I don't really like venting. It's too negative.
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Whatever floats your boat, though.
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MarcusAurelius 04/02/2019 12:44 PM
16 was a nice turning point in my adolescence at least, because for American teenagers the added freedom allows you to counter a lot of the angst
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I avoid rage because I'm 43, and y'know what, that shit don't change. Still can't fix the Bad Stuff. On the other hand, it has granted me a certain realization. Namely, that politics, to pick a major source of rage, is best looked at like wildfires, earthquakes, tornadoes, and other such things. Namely, it's a disaster that strikes at random, and the only useful things you can do is take some basic precautions, try to stay out from under, and pick up the shit afterwards. No sense in wasting time, energy, or emotion on sacrificing to the Storm Gods - it didn't work for the ancient whoevers, and it ain't gonna work for us.
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Bonus: this attitude drives people who see politics otherwise absolutely mink-fucking nuts , and you don't even have to lift a finger.
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Almighty Ivpiter: (edited)
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MarcusAurelius 04/02/2019 12:46 PM
Jove, Barbarum conspecto
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Ita vero
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TotallyNotHuman 04/02/2019 12:47 PM
What other freedoms are granted upon turning 16? I'm not well versed in US law.
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drive a car
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MarcusAurelius 04/02/2019 12:47 PM
Driving, mostly
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TotallyNotHuman 04/02/2019 12:47 PM
And I live on dorm so whatever freedoms that are granted might be negated.
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Ah, yes.
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MarcusAurelius 04/02/2019 12:47 PM
which means de facto independence in daily life from your parents and/or older siblings
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TotallyNotHuman 04/02/2019 12:48 PM
My transit to other places is really only dependent on Uber/Lyft.
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Given that my commute is 2 minutes by walking.
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MarcusAurelius 04/02/2019 12:49 PM
true. It would've taken me about 2 to 3 hours to walk to my high school
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And in general that’s around the age kids get more leeway from their parents
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/02/2019 2:51 PM
I’m a 19 year old shutin and smother dearest over here is quite the apt description
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The only time I get to really be alone is school time
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What happened to the "informal poll" thing?
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/02/2019 4:05 PM
I baleeted it (edited)
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Was going to ask: what climate yalls prefer
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0111narwhalz 04/02/2019 4:07 PM
←would probably complain the same in any case
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but if I could get a nice even dry 80°F that'd be lovely
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(well, substantially cooler at night)
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/02/2019 4:09 PM
@0111narwhalz we have reasonably nights here
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It stays at 75F+ anyway
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Not sure about humidity
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MarcusAurelius 04/02/2019 5:02 PM
About the same, that’s a milder version of what I grew up in
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I like snowy winters, but they’re not a deal breaker
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/02/2019 6:13 PM
Digital Nomads claims that Csa (the warm Mediterranean climate of Italy and Greece) is the perfect one
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disagrees
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TotallyNotHuman 04/02/2019 6:30 PM
I grew up in Cfb but have since moved to both Cfa and Cwa climates.
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I am particularly fond of Cfa.
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/02/2019 6:56 PM
@TotallyNotHuman FYI I have lived in Af/Am weather all my life
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Maybe Aw, since the southern coast of Puerto Rico is noticeably more arid
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TotallyNotHuman 04/02/2019 6:57 PM
oooh, yikes
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/02/2019 6:57 PM
I have spent a few months total in the US, though
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Notably Georgia, Florida, New Mexico, Arizona, and Nevada
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MarcusAurelius 04/02/2019 7:40 PM
Csa may be the one that is agreeable to the most people though
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mild summers and winters, not that much precipitation, etc
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It may not be everyone's favorite, but it probably makes everyone's top 3
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Morgrim Moon 04/02/2019 7:40 PM
the fact it can't kill you is a plus
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MarcusAurelius 04/02/2019 7:41 PM
oh yeah. Usually no serious predators, extremely hard to die of exposure, it even tends to have milder storms and abundant food
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not to mention the diet fostered by it may be one of the healthiest on earth
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Morgrim Moon 04/02/2019 7:46 PM
I wouldn't call 'no serious predators' an intrinsic trait. Originally there were a LOT. We've just exterminated them
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MarcusAurelius 04/02/2019 7:48 PM
Point taken. I forgot about the lions and such
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Morgrim Moon 04/02/2019 7:50 PM
and european wolves would opportunistically hunt isolated humans, unlike north american wolves
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/02/2019 8:20 PM
@MarcusAurelius Hey, some people hate it 'cause of the humidity
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But I can't knock Af/Am/Aw when the sun isn't shining too strongly
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Out on the bike paths I find cloudy but not rainy weather the most comfortable
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And they call it paradise for a reason
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MarcusAurelius 04/02/2019 8:23 PM
true, but many people can
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't tolerate it for very long, and have trouble sleeping in the summers without air conditioning
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/02/2019 8:44 PM
what's air conditioning
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no seriously i grew up only using fans to cool down
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0111narwhalz 04/02/2019 8:46 PM
AC isn't in the building code for residences, but it's pretty much necessary here all the same.
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/02/2019 8:46 PM
'here'?
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0111narwhalz 04/02/2019 8:46 PM
Southern California.
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Not actually in the Mojave, but still fairly arid.
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/02/2019 8:47 PM
well most people make due without AC in every room
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it's humid and an island so that may have something to do
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0111narwhalz 04/02/2019 8:48 PM
Since it's dry, my house has a single evaporative cooler in the living room that blows through the entire house if you open the doors.
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/02/2019 8:48 PM
can't handly dryness
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I spent time in the southwest and chapping was a constant
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MarcusAurelius 04/02/2019 9:19 PM
@BizarroLand ♀ I meant for non-residents
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/02/2019 9:30 PM
fair
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Just as a heads-up, I still think this is by far the worst part of Atomic Rockets
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Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/02/2019 9:53 PM
Having visited the real, unapocalyptic Southwest, I long much more for chapstick that actually works
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And yes, it is. I have endeavored to send in some corrective material, and we’ll see if anything comes of it.
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/02/2019 9:57 PM
And that RocketCat character is exactly what Chung claims to not want... loud, condescending, unpleasant
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MarcusAurelius 04/02/2019 10:10 PM
The southwest is tolerable if you're from a climate close enough to it
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0111narwhalz 04/03/2019 12:13 AM
So with a new router, we're getting the bandwidth we're paying for.
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(though I suspect the issue was actually solved by the reset of the fiber box)
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ISSkylab
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(I didn't make this)
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Morgrim Moon 04/03/2019 9:00 AM
There are some things only humans can do in space. The rest can be left to robots. To free up valuable time for astronauts living and working aboard the International Space Station, we’re sending...
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...those are ridiculously adorable. Extra credit to the UI designer who gave them expressive eyes.
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Morgrim Moon 04/03/2019 9:38 AM
https://twitter.com/g_awd/status/1112473455650172929 I'm not exactly sure why this is dystopian, it looks pretty cool. I say, while being the person who doesn't actually buy from Amazon because I dislike them as a company, but hey, still cool
This right here is borderline dystopian https://t.co/otXBLShtdd
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Evidently someone can't figure out how to spell "awesome".
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Morgrim Moon 04/03/2019 9:41 AM
giant floating warehouses stocked by smaller airships and using drone delivery? My steampunk heart is aflutter
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Hell, yes!
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Morgrim Moon 04/03/2019 9:42 AM
And if it works well for Amazon others will start doing it too and I will gleefully buy from them! Everyone wins!
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(Even better: when you're working at large scales and small margins, minor cost cutting can be a big thing. So in suitable areas airships with sails become the optimal thing! Kinda like how sailing ships were still economical in the age of steam for bulky unspoilable cargo like wool bales, because if you don't mind waiting a little longer you get to slash the fuel costs)
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(A few technical problems with that if you need to move any direction other than downwind, but still.)
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Morgrim Moon 04/03/2019 9:47 AM
yeah, tacking a blimp would be a pest, they'd have a horrible windlass angle.
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A bit more fundamental than that - you can't generate lift forces with sails in an airship, because it doesn't have a draggier medium (the water) to "push" against. So you're stuck with only going downwind.
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Morgrim Moon 04/03/2019 9:49 AM
I'm thinking more lightweight, easily retractable sails alongside a normal propeller. If the wind's in the right direction, sail, it's faster than puttering along. In the wrong direction, reef the sails and putt putt. At an angle? Angle the sails for drive and use the propeller for your sideways drift.
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Exception: airships over the ocean have worked around this by dropping a sea anchor.
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Morgrim Moon 04/03/2019 9:49 AM
Ooh yeah, true.
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Mm, maybe. Or you could shift altitudes to take advantage of different prevailing wind directions, but you'd need really good meteorologists.
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Morgrim Moon 04/03/2019 9:52 AM
Maybe not. You've got DRONES. Have a windsock drone go up and down the air column every [interval]
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In-'verse, I have airships commonly powered by making the envelope largely out of solar foil, and using the resulting electricity to run ducted fans. (And charge up accumulators for nighttime cruising, of course.)
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Morgrim Moon 04/03/2019 9:53 AM
Airships are reasonably well suited to solar collection. Now we just need better lifting gases than hydrogen and helium.
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Or possibly an acceptance of using hydrogen + not being so stupid with it
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Only way to better hydrogen is to use vacuum. (edited)
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Morgrim Moon 04/03/2019 9:54 AM
Well, where 'better' = more practical
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Which is hard to do with a light envelope.
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Morgrim Moon 04/03/2019 9:54 AM
I would say hydrogen is still more practical than vacuum by a hefty margin
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Yeah, at least until we find the materials science to handle vacuum without taking on enough mass to obviate the gains. And on the other hand: hydrogen really has a ridiculously unfair rep. Just don't coat the envelope in thermite and strap gallons of gasoline to the gondola, and it'll be just fine.
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Morgrim Moon 04/03/2019 9:58 AM
Or fly it into a thunderstorm
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even if Hitler has ordered you to be on time Or Else
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Even that wouldn't have been a problem if not for the first two factors, (Although flying an airship into a storm is not a good idea for lots of other reasons, mostly involving structural stress.)
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Morgrim Moon 04/03/2019 10:03 AM
From what I've read the lightning strikes probably still would have broken something, but at least they may have managed a controlled landing (or an elegant crash with a fixable airship)
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But, hell, energy density of 0.01 MJ/L in a substance that is inclined to head directly for the upper atmosphere unless you go to a great deal of trouble to prevent it? You have to work hard to turn that into any kind of serious fire hazard. It's the gasoline and diesel than tends to kill.
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Depends on the design. We've got a lot better at building in lightning protection - the modern airliner's built to shrug off lightning strikes as routine.
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Morgrim Moon 04/03/2019 10:12 AM
while the Hindenburg was a spectacular fireball, most crashes from 'hydrogen gone wrong' was of the form of "the lifting gas is either water now or has exited the vessel and gravity is a harsh mistress"
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(Data: Last lightning-attributed crash was in '67, and statistically, every commercial plane suffers at least one lightning strike per year.)
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The interesting thing with those crashes is how in many cases the majority of the fatalities were from people who jumped from the airship, and the majority of the survivors were people who waited for it to settle close to the ground before making their exit.
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Morgrim Moon 04/03/2019 10:14 AM
yeah, I never quite got that. I understand 'fire is scary' and 'burning wreckage falling on me is scary' but at least close to the ground you have a chance to RUN
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unless it's like some people in the Twin Towers who jumped not because they thought it'd save them but because fast death going splat was preferable to slow death by heat and toxic smoke
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I mean, that's the best thing about airships vs. airplanes: they don't want to fall out of the sky.
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As a side note, I have always wondered how fabric-coated aircraft (be they ships or planes) took off as a concept, given that - on the list of doping agents for the fabric - the first one mentioned and used is nitrocellulose .
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"So, to make the plane weatherproof, we're going to paint it with this notoriously sensitive, flammable, fairly potent explosive --" "Yeah, let me stop you there."
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Morgrim Moon 04/03/2019 10:41 AM
I recall the similar sort of mix was being used for tents and military balloons, so it has precident as a material they were used to and knew would work as long as you don't set it on fire.
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I mean, yes, it's frisky if you mishandle it. But mix it with enough resin and it's basically a really nice plasticiser that's still used in specialised applications today
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Huh. Most modern nail polish is nitrocullulose
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and it's what holds strips of staples together before you put them in the stapler
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My favorite application is still the nitrocellulose billiard balls. Try not to play too rough.
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Morgrim Moon 04/03/2019 10:46 AM
the way of making those was fun too
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ObQuote: "An owner of a billiard saloon in Colorado wrote to Hyatt about the explosive tendencies, saying that he did not mind very much personally but for the fact that every man in his saloon immediately pulled a gun at the sound."
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Morgrim Moon 04/03/2019 10:46 AM
"let's exploit vapour pressure in interesting and novel ways!"
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You know, I can see certain of your races - kaeth come to mind - deliberately playing with potentially explosive balls to "liven the game up". And tactical applications where you have a high risk/high reward strategy of trying to blow up your opposition's balls
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" trying to blow up your opposition's balls" I read that in a different way... 🤢
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@Morgrim Moon I hereby declare that canon.
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Hey, guys, the Amazon blimp isn't real
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Someone made it with CGI
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And people took it out of context
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They do have a patent on the concept, though.
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And so one day, one day, we will SEE THE GLORY OF THE COMING OF THE DRONES.
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The night of September 14, 2013, began about as unremarkably as it could for Sahar Khoshakhlagh. She had some family in town — two cousins...
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A nice quote I saw that sums up a lot of US politics:
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These bigots fear becoming a minority because they've seen the fates of Africans and American Indians. (edited)
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